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Elections fraud... how possible is it?

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Agree--let's get the evidence. However, no matter the thought, we must give the teams their day in court. My thought is that Biden is not yet the presumed President and has to wait for the time table and efforts to be worked. Cases and positions are being worked based on the process--until they are resolved, no one has won just yet---not even President Trump!

It is still fun to debate--my opinion....as a guy that stayed at a Holiday Inn recently (easy button)....the software discussion does pass the smell test ;-)
 
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We should feel "desperation" ….sorry....
Hahaah good one

The claims appear to be 3 or 5th accounts and experience. Is there voter fraud? Yeah lots of it every year. Bow wide spread and on what scale? Hell I have no clue.
Sorry if I offended anyone but the division amongst the community is strong and as close as this race was throwing omvotrs away at 3rd party candidates really shifted the race
 
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What type of person would register to vote, than complete a ballot, either by driving to the poles, or even filling it out and mailing it in, and only put one mark on it ( one single vote for only the president) be it a mark for Biden or Trump ? Supposedly with no other opinions on anything else on the ballot. My opinion on this is that if someone was this type of person, they never would have gone through any of these steps to ever vote in the first place. Would definitely be interesting to know if there was only one mark on any particular ballot what percentage of say 10k of them went for what candidate. If it’s not around 50/50, something is fishy. I’ve been voting since I was 20yrs old, and never did that. Why would anyone go through the effort to vote and do that ?
 
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I believe there is evidence and plenty of documentation showing issues. Why things are being thrown out is another discussion. I am not a fan of conspiracy theories, but...There are too many individuals coming forward and swearing under risk of perjury what they saw. Something is not right. Will agree--this could have been going on for years. It took an outsider (President Trump) to say enough is enough...

How could you have "found" votes and all be for one candidate and ONLY one candidate, no downward voting (as Tucsontony said)? That is extremely difficult to believe. Stopping counts mid-stream and then "immediately" Bidden gets thousands of "votes"? Just to name a couple. I was not there, get it...but too many people are stepping forward. SO--even if it is only a small percentage and not as large as it sounds, does that mean that Bidden "just wins"? I do not think so. If one error in the software is found, all States with that software have to be questioned. If "found" votes are deemed void, how do you now remove them? You cannot as they are combined counts-so, do you void ALL votes from that group? Maybe?

I can see where the House/Senate will decide the outcome and the Electoral College will not play a part this cycle...my opinion.
 
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If they find evidence of fraud in multiple states and can definitely prove it, I say we take a day off as a country and just revote in person and get the count done in 1 day. Anyone who can't (medical necessity, military, peace officers, etc...) can have volunteers like myself who would have the whole rest of the day off to drive or fly to them for their votes with bipartisan oversight.

So tired of this...
 
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I agree with Gavin that id love to see a revote, in person with photo id but it can't happen.
You can have do-over elections of down ballot stuff but the constitution provides provisions for what happens if one candidate can't get to 270. This looks to be the direction we are headed. If the vote in a few states are thrown out due to fraud then it would go to the house of representatives. Each state deligation gets 1 vote. So the person with 26 votes becomes president. There are I think 34 states which have a majority republican deligation even though there are more democrat representatives it would be a Trump presidency presumably. This has happened 3 or 4 times in the past.
I think its a powder keg waiting to explode though.
 
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I dont know about the dominion voting software yet. Sounds fishy. She seems pretty confident though. Like they said they are waiting to present their evidence in a court of law because if its aired in the public forum a judge could throw out the evidence as inadmissible. They aren't taking that risk. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
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Without the dominion stuff there seems to be plenty of evidence to overturn counts in 4 to 6 states.

PA. There is allogations of voter fraud but the bigger deal is the legality of late arriving votes. The PA Supreme Court changed the rules right before the election to allow mail in ballots to be counted which arrived after 8pm election day. There are two valid legal challenges here which will go to the Supreme Court. 1. The constitution states that voting laws are the exclusive province of the state legislature. The pa Supreme Court didn't have the authority to change the rules. This one seems pretty cut and dry to me.
2. Second challenge is equal application of the law. It asserts that people who voted in person were treated differently than people who voted by mail. The in person vote had to be in prior to 8pm on election day. Mail in votes got an extra 3 days. This same question was already decided in Bush v Gore in 2000.

Either complaint would force the elimination of 600k+ late arriving votes and would put Trump back in the lead in PA. The question is can those late arriving votes be separated which I think is doubtful. If they can't be separated PA's 20 electoral votes would be uncertified and wouldn't go to either candidate.
 
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In Michigan it seems pretty clear there was massive voter fraud.
Evidence we have.
1. In multiple districts more people voted than registered voters. In several cases there were more votes than the district has population. This is public knowledge and easily proven or disproven.
2. This is there the magic 130k+ ballots arrived in the middle of the night 100% for Biden and with only the president voted on. There are multiple sworn affidavits witnessing this.
3. Law says that both parties must observe all mail in ballots and agree to matched signatures and post mark dates. Party observers were not allowed which by law makes those ballots illegal.

Even more than PA I dont see how you can resolve these issues so court would have to throw our Michigan taking away Michigan's 16 electoral votes.

This pits Biden at 270 still winning. The Trump team would have to get one more state.
There are similar challenges in Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, and Virginia. Get one more state to be thrown out neither candidate gets to 270 and it goes to the house.

Its a tuff road but there does seem to be plenty of evidence.
 
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