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Anyone like to shoot 3-d? Ben Avery is hosting a few in the upcoming weeks, thought it might be fun to get some folks together for one sometime.
 

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I've never been to one yet but would like to start going. Ben Avery's a little too far away. The Happy Jack and Williams shoots would be better for me.
 

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AZ THunder, thats a great idea, I think those shoots are more toward the late spring/summer but its a good time to get out ot the heat here in the valley and get some shooting in.
 

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Well then, let's revisit this idea as we get closer to those shoots.
 

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So does that mean the WMAT stands to make money off of the Arizona archers? Not sure I like the sounds of that.
 

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The only thing they make is the rental, and whatever the archers spend. But the ABA has run out of places on FS land to put the shoot, so this move is essential for the survival of the organization.
 

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Garth, I'm not supportive of doing anything on the WMAT. In-so-far as I am aware, aside from traveling through it in a vehicle and visiting the casino's, ANY and ALL activity on the WMAT requires some sort of permit. I ain't paying them diddly-squat to participate in a 3-D shoot on "their" land.

If I sound pissy about the WMAT, I am. Money-grubbing ba$tard$ - as far as I'm concerned. And what gives with their blatant racial prejudice on their ski-lifts? A lift for exclusive use by the WM Apache natives - and another for the rest of the free-world. They can kiss my lily-white.... :evil:
 

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Put 'em all in a bag and shake it, and they're all one-in-the-same to me. I won't/don't do anything on any Apache Rez anymore. And I don't see that changing in the near furture either. Personal experience has proven to me that they are the most pompous/arrogant/prejudiced/money-grubbers of all native American tribes.
 

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Wow Dan, such strong feelings...........actually you and I seem to think alike.
I didnt know they had segregated chair lifts.........didnt segregation go out in the 60's?
Actually, I know what you mean.........myself and 2 other guys started the Sunrise 3D shoot to raise money for a family that lost their father, a fellow bowhunter. After, the rez saw the money to be made, they took it over, and as far as I know, they still are the ones that run it.
The thing that really gets me, I am told over and over that they are a separate nation..........so, why do they get to come onto federal land and hunt at resident prices? Hmmmmmmm................ :roll:
 

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bowhuntinmaniac said:
Wow Dan, such strong feelings...........actually you and I seem to think alike.
I didnt know they had segregated chair lifts.........didnt segregation go out in the 60's?
Actually, I know what you mean.........myself and 2 other guys started the Sunrise 3D shoot to raise money for a family that lost their father, a fellow bowhunter. After, the rez saw the money to be made, they took it over, and as far as I know, they still are the ones that run it.
The thing that really gets me, I am told over and over that they are a separate nation..........so, why do they get to come onto federal land and hunt at resident prices? Hmmmmmmm................ :roll:
Garth, I haven't been skiing at Sunrise since 1982. Back then, yes, they had two chair-lift operations. One was for "Apaches only", and the other lift was for all others. It peeved me so bad to see this blatant prejudice, I swore I'd never go back again to ski, and I haven't.

Then, about 1985 as I recall, I was fishing at Little Bear Lake, (across the road and down a bit from Horseshoe Cienega) with the family of some friends. While sitting on the shore fishing, surrounded by several other folks, (mostly natives) a WMAT G&F officer walked right up to me and asked to see my permit/license. After showing him, I asked why he singled me out of the group? He simply said... "you got a problem with that?" and he turned and walked away. The daughter of a friend of ours got sick that weekend, and asked if she could ride home with us, since her parents wanted to stay and we lived only 3 blocks away. On our way home, she asked if we would pull over as she thought she had to vomit. So, we pulled over, somewhere near Canyon Day. She got out, walked behind some trees to vomit and relieve herself of diarrhea and a WMAT policeman pulled in behind us. "What are you doing?", he asked. I told him about Tina being sick and he said "you need to get her in the car and get moving." I said "are you serious? He said... "you need a permit to be on the reservation, and since you don't have one, I can write you a ticket." Talk about a jerk!

Finally, along about 1988, I was driving to Whiteriver to watch a High School football game. I had to make a nature stop, so I turned at the John F. Kennedy School and headed north, up Cedar Creek, looking for a place to... well, you know. A WMAT policeman zoomed in behind me and asked me what I "was doing"? I told him and he said "you need to get going".

I'm not sure what the "attitude" is all about, or, where it stems from, but I've had about all I want from the Apache tribes. All is good, so long as you have paid for a permit. I find it strange that if you were a tourist and passing through there, and you wanted to stop and take a picture or two, you "could be" cited for not having a "Special Use Permit".

Nope, I'm not supporting the WM, Cibique, San Carlos or Tonto tribes anymore than I already have. I'll see you and others at the Clint Wells/Happy Jack shoot? LOL!
 

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It's not just those tribes, walk into a Walmart here and see how rude they are. From what I have been told, it is taught to them from the old days of being forced onto reservations.
 

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Anyone going? The Buck Lewis Southern Arizona Archery Rendezvous 3-D Tournament,

Hosted by the Huachuca Mountain Archers & Bowhunters Club and in conjunction with PSE.

When: March 17-18, 2007
Where: Gardner Canyon
(28 miles south of Tucson, Off HWY 83)
What: 3-D Archery shoot
Cost: Adults $25, Young'ens (17-11) $10, cubs & Pee Wee- Free.

Primitive Camping, first come, first served. Porta-johns on site. Novelty shoots, food available both days (breakfast & lunch)
Smoker Round, **** Shoot


Registration: Friday 5pm-8pm, Saturday 7Am-5PM.
Range opens @ 7am on Saturday & Sunday. No shooting before this time!
Range closes @ 5pm on Saturday and scores must be in by 1pm on Sunday.

Most all classes are open for archers. Bring what ya got and shoot it.

For more info please contact Bob Ford @ 520-417-1755 hmbac 'at' cox 'dot' net or Gary Linendoll @ 520-458-0607
 

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I agree with you AZ Thunder 100%.

I don't know why they are mad about being put on a res. I wouldn't have done that. :wink: Why not abolish all reservations and then they can get off their f** a**es and work. :lol:
 
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