[AZ~ThunderDan]

Folks, I have run this topic and poll issue on another forum and decided to bring it here as well.

After reading about the outcome of the 2007 Hunt Proposals recently adopted by the AZG&F Commission, I have to ponder the decisions made with regard to the Mt. Lions.

I've gleaned from various posts from those who attended the latest public input meetings, that it appears the Commission adopted a 3-month hunt restriction on Mt. Lions.

I believe most us are aware of the season closure for Bobcats and why that rule was inacted. Was the same thought process for bobcats the decisive reason for the restrictions placed on our lions? Perhaps. I tend to think the latest rule proposal adoptions concerning lions are nothing more than appeasement to the relentless pressure levied by the Anti's.

I'm wondering how many folks here think the decision was made using sound biology science, or if folks feel it was merely a sacrifical lamb to appease the Anti's? Many hunters claim that "if we give them an inch - they'll take a mile." Have we ultimately paved the first step by enabling the Anti's to erode our hunting rights and privilege's in general, or have we simply caved-in to the pressure of poor kitty by using sound biological management?

 

[bowhuntinmaniac]

What is sad is from what I understand is, the AZ Deer Association (ADA), AZ Wildlife Federation (AWF) and Wildlife Conservation Council (WCC) backed this.
Before this decision was made, it would have been nice to know how many lions were killed during those months. In much of the state, it is too hot to run dogs.
What is really bad is, I heard there was a comment made to the Commission that they will be back to try to get the season shortened to 6 months next year.

 

[Desert_Ram]

i can try and find out for you if you would like? since the mohave sportsman club is part of the WCC and has the ADA come and cook at the ranch clean up in june just let me know ok. and i will make a few calls snice i have a day off lol

 

[Desert_Ram]

ok just talked to Don Martin and he said the Houndsmen wanted this to happen so it did happen and the anit's did tell them "thank you" and the houndsmen wanted it closed for 6 months plus they wanted the muliti bag limits taken away in some units and Don feels it will happen there was 3 groups that voted NO the mohave sportsman club yuma rod and gun club and he couldn't remember the 3rd one this sucks big time!!! for hunters and a big win for the anit's here we go guys.

 

[bowhuntinmaniac]

why in the world would the houndsmen want it closed for 6 months????
Whatever happened to wildlife management?? So, we will lose more deer because we will have more lions................GRRRRRRRRR

 

[Desert_Ram]

yes i know it sucks but thats what Don just told me i'm still the phone with him lol he is very upset about it but we lost the vote we tryed the club voted not to close it but we lost damm it. its the houndsmen wanted it closed and they got it closed

 

[bowhuntinmaniac]

Can you find out which houndsmen?

 

[Desert_Ram]

ok i will

 

[Desert_Ram]

over 100 houndsmen from all over arizona is what don just told me

 

[AZ~ThunderDan]

Heck, I didn't even know there were 100 lion hounds in the state, let alone that many hound hunters.

Guess I need to join a few hunt forums or something for keeping up on these proposals. Seems to me the Mt. Lion issue flew in under the radar? Not having made any of the 2007 Commission meetings, I may well be dead wrong.

 

[Desert_Ram]

Dan i will keep you updated as well as the fourm if you want i get emails from G&F and from other groups as well being part as many as i am lol the list grows every day lol just let me know ok did you here that the gov signed into law that our guns and ammo cant be taken away? i got that yesterday? if not i'll get a copy of it and post it for you?

 

[Guest]

I have a good friend who runs hounds down here and he told me early this morning that he sure as hell isn't for it.

 

[Desert_Ram]

well thats good to hear like i said there was 100 houndsmen from around the state i dont know who they are. but when i get more info i will be passing it along to you guys dont worry about that. lol i have a good in with Don he's a great friend besides i'll kick his butt if he dont tell me LMAO !!! and he knows it he is going to do a big story on it in this weeks paper so i know its going to hit a few houndsmen here we'll see what happens

 

[Desert_Ram]

omg read this

this was taken off another site omg i couldnt beleive what i was reading

This might be out of left field... But... I think a good compromise would have these 3 summer months be hunting with no dogs allowed....

That way you are not restricting the hunt altogether... Just making it a lot harder to accomplish... Especially in the mid-summer months.... I don't know about you, but hiking into these remote areas on hot summer days looking for an animal as elusive as a lion would be darn near impossible for me... But then again, I know nothing about lion hunting... This is just what makes sense to me....

Again, I still need to see the explanation before I make a judgement..

 

[AZ~ThunderDan]

Thanks Marsha, but I was jesting about the forums and not being apprised of what's going on inside G&F. Like many others, I receive the AZG&F Wildlife News. I even have a special G&F folder I store them in.

 

[Desert_Ram]

ok

Ok Dan i will still keep you updated on stuff i get emails from hunter ed that you folks dont see lol so i'll pass that info on that i get

 

[Desert_Ram]

another link

ok check this out guys

http://www.adlaz.org/programs/lions/index.html

 

[AZ~ThunderDan]

The ADLA article pitches one hell of an attack against the AZG&FD and their "pro-livestock" constituents. While the ADLA is quick to point out their biological mismanagement theory against G&F, one thing stands out blatantly clear to me. The ADLA offers no scientific data what-so-ever to prove the position they seemingly defend. Clearly, the ADLA offers nothing but condemnation toward the department and offers no solution to the issue except to stop the killing of all lions. Where's the biology management in that? Hypocrisy at it's finest.

 

[Desert_Ram]

oh i know what your sayin on this, they cant say anything but bad things about G&F it sucks they dont know what they are talking about. at all they ned to lay off the G&F. and let them do there jobs like they do.

 

[Desert_Ram]

Don Martin's story

Well i dont know what happen to Don's stories in tonites paper but there was not one in there so i am waiting to hear back from him as soon as i do i will post the info i get from him. just wanted to up date you guys on this. more to come in the next few days.