[Desert Rat Blog]

I'd like to see some responses on this one…. but no fighting! Why is it considered to be bad form/unethical/unsportsmanlike to shoot game birds on the ground? In some ways, I get it. In other ways, I don't. I mean - doves are a lot harder to hit when they are zipping through the air, [...]

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[Desert_Ram]

Desert_Rat
"If It runs like a rabbit it dies like a rabbit" we use it in our hunter ed class
1. to break the ice with the peolpe
2. this was said and done by a G&F officer years ago
3. hope it makes you laugh lol
yes i posted that on azod lol i shoot game birds on the ground each person has there own code of ethics they follow yours is different then mine. i dont shoot turkeys out of a roost some do.
two years ago i had a cow elk tag my 1st ever elk tag i had chased a cow up this hill i got 30 yards from her i put my gun up ready to shoot but the shot i had wasnt good to me she was bordside also her killzone was bihide some small tree's all i had was a gut or head shoot i waited and i still didnt have a good kill shot. so guess what she walked away and i still have that tag. what would other people have done i heard one guy say he would have shot it in the guts. another one said he would have shot it in the head not me. thats one of my code of ethics.

 

[kninebirddog]

I think one of the biggest things to the change to only harvest in the air and not if it runs like a rabbit it can die like a rabbit way of harvesting is Conservation and also hunting for the most part is an addition to the food we have..not the only one of the sources of food a person survives on

As for big game hunting...on a cow or doe i like the head shot the best...ruin less meat and they go down and quickly or if they don't means you missed
I know many oldtimers who do not understand the ehart and kung shot you want meat head shots mean you don't have to track your dinner as one and I mean oldtimer was telling me he harvested for meat not to put anything on the wall..so I would have to say" in his eyes" shooting for the lungs and heart is unethical just a matter of perspective
But as for taking Questionable shots or doing the pray and spray method...I find that to be a black eye to anyone who hunts and tries to be as safe as possible

 

[Desert_Ram]

well i go for the heart and lungs thats what we teach in hunter ed and in our classes we do what we teach, and we dont take head shoots or texas heart shoots eaither. (butt Shoots) to us head shoots are more unethical then heart/lung thats my perspective. saftey is number 1 to us go to www.ieha.com and see where az is on the list. i guess its to each there own

 

[kninebirddog]

I do heart and lung shots But then again I mostly bow hunt also specially on bucks that are going to be taxidermied..
But it is intersting how eras and trains of thoughts change through out the years of time..even methods of hunting is different from areas of plenty of game to areas of sparser game ..

Safety should be upmost on every hunters mind...
I would venture to say from the accisdents you hear about form here in AZ to back east are more of a hunter not identifying their target..or not making sure of what is beyond their target

I know I would still much rather hunt with Dick Cheney then be in a vehicle with Ted Kennedy

Your link doesn't bring up the site your speaking of

 

[Desert_Ram]

www.ihea.com is the site

 

[bowhuntinmaniac]

My uncle used to give me a hard time fer shooting quail on the ground.......I just told him they still taste the same.
But, it really depends on the person. To each their own, but as seen on another site, I dont want to see hunters ridiculing other hunters for their method of hunt, as long as it is legal.

 

[kninebirddog]

OK Stupid question .....where is the stats your speaking of t many links to check out Thanks

 

[Desert_Ram]

i say that people need to take a hunter ed class we are having one in july/aug if anyone needs/wants to take it tons of info in it you'll learn what shots to take and what shots not to take. and you'll hear the good ol sayin

IF IT RUNS LIKE A RABBIT IT DIES LIKE A RABBIT lmao like i said we use it to get a laugh out of the class!!!

 

[Desert_Ram]

http://www.ihea.com/documents/Incident2005.pdf here you go they changed the site

 

[Desert_Ram]

as you can see in 2005 no incident reports and thats great but to say for 2006 there will be but az has the loweset numbers cause we have the longest hours for hunter ed classes our res class is 35 hours and the non res is 12 hours

 

[kninebirddog]

The only think ridiculing bahing and being nasty to one another proves is to ruin a potentailly great site
I have seen many boards go dormant when they allowed things to go to far it was sad to watch

 

[Desert_Ram]

no one is being nasty

 

[kninebirddog]

AZ Incidences while hunting 2006
this is a odd one
http://www.azodchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12362&highlight=arizona+hunter+shot

http://www.eacourier.com/articles/2007/01/18/update/thursday/news02.txt

http://www.azodchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13093&highlight=

If I am not mistaken I believe another was found dead down south...they believe it was illegals while he was out Archery deer hunting

These above were for the the 2006 season

can't remember if it was the year before but AZ also had in Flag a hunter killed when his buddies tried to pusue elk and then the rez had a kid shoot his brother I do believe that was in O5

still much safer to hunt then sports billards and driving

 

[kninebirddog]

oh I know no one is being nasty I was just making a statement of what I have seen on some other boards when there was no intervention to stop the wave of animosity it ruined those boards one had a hugh wave of animosity going 3 years later that board is still basically dead...

anyways...Back to the the post at hand . I think we have side tracked it a bit...oops pretty neat information on that link Thank you

 

[Desert_Ram]

your welcome for the info that site is really cool we get our info from them and G&F and so far havent remember that the Rez is not really part of the Az G&F so we dont even count that in our hunter ed classes that one with the guy who was shoot and killed in flag was in Nov 2004.that was the 1st one every in az that was killed ever not bad. thats why people always need to remember that word TAB!!! and they dont.

 

[kninebirddog]

OK ...This is how I handle Birds on the ground
actually this was intro puppies to their first bird

 

[Desert_Ram]

lol looks like they are having fun good looking pups you have there

 

[AZ~ThunderDan]

Getting back to the topic. I prefer to shoot upland and migratory birds on the wing, but if it comes to pass that my bag limit is one bird shy and I spot a bird on the ground, I may decide to take a ground or roost shot. It's always a situational thing for me. Certainly, if someone is hunting with the aid of field dogs, ground-swatting is a big no-no. I hope for everyone, there's no need to explain the "why" to that logic. In all venues of hunting, using good sense and practicing good hunting ethics is something we're all empowered and encouraged to use.

 

[Guest]

Several years back I took a friend from back east out for some Arizona quail hunting. We were probably separated by 30/40 yards when I heard him get off two quick shots walked a bit and bent over to picked up two Scalies. I never saw the bird rise so when I walked over to him I asked him if he shot them birds while they were running on the ground. His reply "Heck no I didn't shot them while they were running, I waited until they stopped."

I don't shot them on the ground or on a roost, but if the law provides for it and you don't have a problem with it, then neither do I. Less than 4 months until dove season