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I think a neat recruiting tool would be to welcome e-scouters over here - yes, I'm serious. Granted, I wouldn't, nor do I expect anyone to give up specific locations. That being said - guys get hammered bad on some of the other sites, just for asking questions. What a great way to recruit new people to the sport - slam em for being interested :roll:

If we were doing anything other than hunting, would we be so hard on people who ask questions?

Just thinking out loud here - the boards will be swamped after the results are officially out. I'd like to become known as the helpful board.

Thoughts?
 

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I never was one to jump on e-scouters, I know how things can arise that blow up plans. I have recieve e-help myself a time or two. But I will never post specifics, just a general area if I respond to a request. I got burnt by some Cal guys on Azod a few years ago and that will never happen again.
 
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I do not mind helping anyone out with e-scouting myself. Heck, if I have the time I will show them if that is possible. ( I am not a guide- Guides don't bash me on this one) I wanted to know some e-hunting before, not what time of day the deer would be walking down his trail- just general area. No one would help me out. I am willing to do my scouting, just wanted to get somewhat close. I am a novice when it comes to hunting in Arizona , but know a little about other things. SoI am all for helping .
 

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Wait till the draw is posted and then the e-scouting really starts up. Folks get downright ignorant responding to some of these guys. Then again, some of the guys want things handed to them on a silver platter. You'd figure that if they were putting in from out-of-state they might budget a little to come down 3 or 4 days before the season and scout themselves some, maybe buy some maps, something along those lines. You will also find folks that live in the state and won't make time to scout.

Anyway, what I suggest is if you don't want to help an e-scouter then don't respond to the post. Don't slam them - the old adage from your mother - 'if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.'
 

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I dont mind helping people out, I wont tell them right where to go, at least not a complete stranger. I'd sit one of my friends right in my best spot if I thought they would have a quality experience. On a handful of occasions I have even drug my butt out and helped glass. This year I will be hunting in an area that I dont have a lot of experience in but I will make it work. If I cant seem to put it together on my own then I'll ask my friends.
 

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See? You guys get it... Heck, half the population goes to the internet these days, when they want to figure something out. I do it all the time. I think when people come on and ask questions, people like us can help make them better hunters, and help strengthen our sport. If they truly don't realize it, we can make them understand that it is not appropriate to ask for specific information. We can however, demonstrate that hunters are a community that likes to help out. With our advice and guidance, we can help them make their hunts more enjoyable. This makes us stronger as a whole, in the end..
 

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I'm glad to see everyone's fresh attitude towards this subject, and I agree that helping fellow sportsmen out is a good thing. Problem is, I probably won't be of too much help, but I'll do my best to point people to the general area of where I've had success in the past. Looks like we may have a good group of folks here - thanks for the site!
 

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I totally agree with you guy's. I am more than happy to help or give info to fellow hunters. I't nice knowing we won't get slammed in this forum.
 

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5 years ago, I drew a very hard to get antelope tag where there is a lot of private property. The following weekend I was in the unit scouting, and knocking on doors.
One ranch owner's initial response to me asking for permission to hunt his land was to find somewhere else to hunt. The next weekend, I approached and asked him again for permission. He finally said to check with him before the season opened. The next weekend found me on his doorstep asking again, and I got the same reply. I told him the hunt opened the next Friday and that I would do what it took to hunt on his land.
He looked at me and said that he thought it was good that I bothered him so much and he believed that the pre season scouting was as much a part of the hunt as the actual hunting was. The he said, you can hunt on my land but, if you see anyone else hunting there, tell them they have to get out".
I drew the tag for this unit again this year and immediately called the rancher, and he said he was happy to see that I drew it again and that he would tell anyone else that he is full so i will have it to myself.

I guess I am the bad apple here........I understand and dont mind if someone asks the question,"where do I start".
But, an example, on another site someone said they drew a unit 9 archery tag after 12 years of applying and doesnt know where to start.
In the period of 10 years, they had no elk tag and had plenty of time to scout during the rut if they wanted that hunt so much. I feel that my spending money on gas, food, and the thousands of hours of my time gives me the right to refuse to give info to people that are only motivated to scout when they actually have a tag. Why should they benefit of everyone's knowledge without it costing them a dime?
I spend hours looking at maps, entering coordinates into the GPS, then going to the area and checking to see if it has the potential for a good hunt. More times than not, for whatever reason, I abandon the particular spots I originally thought would be good. Then it is time to spend more time looking for good areas.
I do and will give people general information, but they also have the option of going to azgfd.com and getting info on the hunt unit and species of their choice. There is also huntscout.com if they want specific information, but that does cost money.
I also will give info to non residents before residents, beacause they are limited on the scouting they can do by their geographic location.
Sorry, if I dont agree.........
 

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You're not the "bad" apple - you're a "different" apple - and that's OK.

We're red delicious - you're granny smith muhahahahaha

Seriously, I understand and respect your position. I think the difference is that you have put some thought into it, and formulated an opinion. What bugs me is the bully syndrome, the selfish syndrome, the knee-jerk reaction syndrome....

Maybe it's easy for us to be so free with our knowledge, becasue we don't have much.. I know that sounds funny, but I'm sort of serious...
 

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Now Marshall, I know you have done yer homework and have had 3 dry seasons for javelina. If I could talk you into a different unit, I will give you a spot.
The other thing about giving information is, sooner or later you will be burned for your generosity. I have "secretly" given spots to friends and within 2 years, they have had their whole family hunting there.
I have even been told they will follow me to my spots to find them.
 

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To be honest - when it comes to guys like you, creed, chief, dan....

I don't want to know your spots, I just want to learn as much as I can...

I think part of it is atmosphere - things are a lot different in AZ than in Maine or NB. Not wrong, just different than what I am used to.

And I think differing opinions are great, when served up with thought, and respect (as you did)

I'll change pig units, in the spring draw :D Stubborn is admirable, but I'm tired of getting skunked
 

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ok, you got it!!!
I have a spot I dont use anymore because we are trying to get heavy pigs. Apply for unit 37A and I will show you around. but, Creed is probly overrun on his farm............it's up to you.
37A has never filled on tags first time around, but that may change because they will probly cut tags since they gave some for the fall hunt.
 

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I can relate to your scouting style Garth, that is pretty much what I do. I scouted an antelope for a Cal guy in 18B a couple years ago and made several rancher contacts myself that helped me later on. And I agree totally on the resident/non-resident thing with little reservation. In 2003 my wife had a medical problem that kept me from being able to scout for my girls' deer hunt. That is how I met Creed, he helped me out. We talked over the phone and since I already had maps of the area he sent me in the right direction with just a couple place names. My oldest daughter missed a goodie opening morning, I wanted to snatch the rifle from her hand because the buck was bigger than anything I have ever taken. Anyway, I know how something can happen that blows up your plans and ability to scout. So for those people I tend to be a little more forgiving, but the plain old lazy ones get nothing from me beyond maybe a mtn or valley name. And they are on their own as far as me giving up my rancher contacts.

By the way, the Cal guy took an 82 inch buck with his muzzle loader and was more than satisfied with my effort on his part.
 

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Now Marshall, I know you have done yer homework and have had 3 dry seasons for javelina. If I could talk you into a different unit, I will give you a spot.
The other thing about giving information is, sooner or later you will be burned for your generosity. I have "secretly" given spots to friends and within 2 years, they have had their whole family hunting there.
I have even been told they will follow me to my spots to find them.
That's crap! No, I'm not trying to say I don't believe your story, but rather that someone would take your information and use it that way :evil: As DesertRat says, it's probably because we don't have all that much knowledge to share. That will change for me soon.
I was blessed by growing up in North Central Washington state, about 80 miles south of the Canadian border.
I started hunting as soon as I went through hunter's safety (about 10 years old or so) until I left for the Army after graduating high school. My dad was not a great hunter, but thankfully he took the time to introduce me to the outdoors. Unfortunately, he no longer hunts; he stopped hunting for reasons known only to him when I was about 14 or so.
I was lucky enough to live in a place where I could literally be hunting in 5 minutes. I used to walk from my house, through the alfalfa fields of the ranch we rented space on, and be in the foothills. We were very poor, and my equipment consisted of my dad's hunting knife, my trusty 30-30 Savage bolt action rifle, and a canteen which was nothing more than a glass quart-sized mason jar which held my water secured by an old T shirt and an extra belt.
After Dad stopped hunting, I spent a LOT of time in the woods after school and on the weekends when we weren't falling trees (yes, I'm serious) to use for building a log house on the 20 acres Dad had bought years before. Maybe I'll relate that story another time….
I learned where the deer were at different times through the day, where they watered, fed, slept, and travel zones. I also learned which aspen groves held a few whitetail deer (mulies were the norm where I lived), blue or ruffled grouse, and which high mesas held chukar or Hungarian partridge.
We had a creek (Chiliwist Creek) that ran through the ranch that I fished all the time and quickly learned where the native trout liked to be, along with all the quail that liked to drink from its water.
I finally bagged my first mule deer buck when I was 15 years old. It was by no means a trophy, although it sure tasted like one. It was cool enough in late October that I was able to let it hang in the barn for about a week and a half, and I did my own processing on the kitchen table. Mom had an old hand crank meat grinder that I used to make burger with out of the scrap. I didn't have a meat saw, so I boned everything out. I still feel to this day that this is the best way. For some reason, cutting the bone with a saw leaves a stronger tasting meat (to me, anyway).
Anyhow, I never failed to get a deer every season after that (tags were available over the counter (we used to by ours at a "local" True Value store 18 miles away). My friends at the time would always try to get me to take them where they could get a deer, and I never really did. I would simply give them an area, and figured if they really wanted to, they would take the time to figure things out like I had. To me, getting to know the area held just as much satisfaction as bagging a deer, if not more. Once you really know an area, it's like an old friend to whom you're anxious to go back to and ensure he's okay.
I guess what I'm trying to say here BowhuntingFanatic, I understand where you're coming from. Thanks for kicking me in the arse in a kind way. It's time for me to go make a new old friend.
Ron
 

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Dutchman, I understand totally what you mean..........I really get a thrill from scouting new areas and seeing country that I have never been in before.
Another thing that has added a thrill is to hang trailcams in areas, so you can see what goes on when yer not there.
Like I said, I dont mind helping people, but it will usually be a general area that they will have to do some scouting to find a honeyhole.
 
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I stayed away from this topic because I too feel like bowhuntinmanic. When we were in the guide business we spent a lot of time, money and effort finding new places and then scouting them. Most of the places, if not all of them, were on public land so all a person had to do was get off the couch and go look. Now that we are retired I have a whole different outlook on it and will share any and all spots that I know. I have one honeyhole that has produced for me for the past 30 years and not only for me but my 4 kids as well. I have a non-resident friend who got drawn for this Nov Coues and that is the area that we will hunt. I get as much enjoyment as seeing someone being successful as I do in killing one myself, maybe even more. So I guess what I'm saying is that as "things" change so does your attitude.

Marshall if'n you ever get drawn for 35a let me know and I'll take you to real honeyhole. :D
 
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