Unit 24B is on fire. I put in for tags in that unit before the fire. If I draw for that unit, I probably will not want them for obvious reasons. My question is: If I surrender the tags, do get my money back or am I stuck with the tag fee?
Vector16
Dont count out the area yet, Fire does not destroy everything, There will be Islands of brush and trees, drainage's that the fire goes over or around, new seedlings will pop up after some rains, could be a good area after fire. Take Rodeo-Chediski fire, its a great hunting destination now after only a bit of time.
There are just under half a million acres in Unit 24b, of which 90% are public lands. Less than 40,000 have burned so far.
With some rain and warm weather after the fire the burned area will turn into a mecca for deer and elk. Generally the burned areas close to areas that did not burn bring the animals to new grass and growth along the edges. It means more scouting after the fire to see what areas are the best.
That's how is in CA but the soil is a bit more fertile there. I have seen places that have burned here many moons ago and the land is still bare.
Not sure where that might be but most of what I have seen that burned has new grass and plant growth in a few weeks. The ash adds nutrients and the grass that was growing under the trees before the fire comes back pretty quickly. I am sure there are areas that are exceptions but the area that I hunt most often has a bunch of deer that are in the burn areas in pretty big numbers.
The vegetation in a lot of that country in the Superstition Wilderness is crazy thick. I'm worried that the fuel has built up to the point that the fire will burn so hot it scorches the earth bare, and heavy monsoon rains will strip away what little top soil exists leaving nothing but bare rock. It was really just a matter of time until this happened. I hope it doesn't turn out as bad as I am imagining.
I was looking at the map on Inciweb, and it looks like it is getting into the Reavis Creek area. If the fire reaches the apple trees it will probably hurt the deer and bear populations there. It will be a very different place.
I was looking at the map on Inciweb, and it looks like it is getting into the Reavis Creek area. If the fire reaches the apple trees it will probably hurt the deer and bear populations there. It will be a very different place.
If you have onX maps you can go under the Hunt tab and turn on current wildfires, and see where the fire has burned. Looks like it is almost to the apple trees at reavis ranch.
Most of it I don't think has burned very hot up this point. Just lots of grass. But yeah, now that it is starting to get into chaparral area... but how many points did you have going into that hunt? I probably won't ever use point guard for deer, as I don't expect to ever have more than 4 or 5 pts. Now for bison and sheep, once I start hitting the 10-15 pt level, point guard will probably be appealing at that time.
zero. I tagged last year but, was not able to go. this time I got PG cause I would want to get into better areas for mulies. I only applied for 2 and last choices for the unit. I made my 1st-3rd in unit 22 so I can scout for deer and elk.
Wait what. Why would you need to buy point guard without any points. This thread is about as confusing as basketball
"A helicopter was used for aerial ignition Monday morning to begin a low intensity fire burn out in the Reavis Ranch area to reduce fuels in front of the advancing fire to protect the apple orchard and Medusa Tree. Subsequent helicopter observation by fire managers confirmed that action appears to have been successful. The huge juniper tree near the Reavis Ranch, sometimes called the Medusa Tree, and the orchard both appear intact. The fire had moved beyond this area by late afternoon today."
There's a group on Facebook called Superstition Mountains that popped up on my recommends list. Members on there have been posting lots of pics and constant updates from those "in the know" about the fire. Sounds like it won't be out for a few more weeks when the Monsoons finally hit. We had a Monsoon Update at the airport where they presented the forecast from NOAA and it sounds like it'll be mid-July before we see any real moisture
112K now. If they think its gonna be put out by the rains, I think they are mistaken. I think the fire is just going to run out of fuel.
They've probably cut most the of the lines and waiting for a burn out. It's heading in the direction away from housing what I think. Burn up the fuel and let it grow. Those chaparrals and other thick brush choke out life. Although the saguaros will suffer
The fire is what it is at this point. When it first started officials were not going to do anything, I guess figuring it would clear out some brush and be done.... well that didn’t work... well not as I think they hoped. Yes clearing the brush is a good thing, fire is nature’s housekeeping. My personal belief is if they wanted to do a burn they should have nipped this in the bud and done a burn in the cooler months when they could have prepared fire lines and been more in control.
As much as has been burned at this point is it even worth trying to stop, minus protecting homes and businesses? They might as well let it go and clear out the brush, after all that’s what they wanted.
No one has talked about what wildlife has been displaced by this, except what has been mentioned here. I hope it all survives and thrives until it can migrate back to a new oasis.
Now we finally had a good winter and spring, good runoff and higher lake levels. No one has mentioned either that when the monsoons do show up, all that ash, charcoal, and slurry are going to end up in the upper Salt River lakes. How many of you remember after the Rodeo fire how black Roosevelt lake was and how many dead logs were floating in the lake? What does all that do to the fish?
Long post, but when we have these fires there is much more involved than some burnt trees and it all comes down to one careless act by someone, assuming the cause was human as suspected.
As much as has been burned at this point is it even worth trying to stop, minus protecting homes and businesses? They might as well let it go and clear out the brush, after all that’s what they wanted.
No one has talked about what wildlife has been displaced by this, except what has been mentioned here. I hope it all survives and thrives until it can migrate back to a new oasis.
Now we finally had a good winter and spring, good runoff and higher lake levels. No one has mentioned either that when the monsoons do show up, all that ash, charcoal, and slurry are going to end up in the upper Salt River lakes. How many of you remember after the Rodeo fire how black Roosevelt lake was and how many dead logs were floating in the lake? What does all that do to the fish?
Long post, but when we have these fires there is much more involved than some burnt trees and it all comes down to one careless act by someone, assuming the cause was human as suspected.
Anybody know how often Google Maps updates their satellite imagery? I am wondering when we will be able to look and see the extent of the burn.
From areas that I look at it can be a year for an update. 6 months is about the earliest I have seen one done.
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